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215 Are you born again the Bible way?                                                                                                                                             Or are you born again through man-made Tradition?


STEVE RAY: I went to the bookstore to buy an anti-Catholic book.  I still have the largest anti-Catholic Library of anybody.   I went to the bookstore that day and I said I want this book…    They brought out the book and it was very much rabidly anti-Catholic.   And he said “by the way if you like this book, I have these also for you.”   And he p...ulled two more books out from under the counter and I said “no thank you, I already have those.”  He said “what did you think about them?”   I said “there trash.”  Now the bookstore was full of people shopping and he said “what do you mean there trash?”  I said “they misrepresent what the Catholic Church actually teaches and they twist the Scripture; they get it to fit your tradition.” .

Well he said “Who are you?”   I said “I am a Catholic convert.  I used to be a Baptist, now I’m a Catholic.”   All the people in the store started to come up by the counter because they heard something interesting going on.    This guy’s voice was getting louder he was getting animated.   “Who are you?”  “I am a Catholic convert” I said.  He said “why would you leave real Christianity to follow the traditions of men?”   Steve says, “Oh I know what you mean.   The problem is I follow the Scripture and you are the one who follows the traditions of men.   And if you live in a glass house, you shouldn’t throw stones.” 

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He said “what do you mean I follow the traditions of men?”  Steve said “Let me ask you a question?  Do you believe that you are saved by ‘faith alone’?”  He said “Of course, the Bible teaches we are saved by ‘faith alone’.  We have known that ever since Martin Luther.  We are saved by faith alone.”   That is the true Biblical teaching.  I said “Really show me where it says that in the Bible, ‘faith alone’.”   He quickly flips around to Romans 3 Chapter 23.  “All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God” and reads on and he says “and we are saved by faith and not by works of the law” and he closed his Bible.   Steve says “we are saved by faith but I didn’t hear the word ALONE.”   He said “alone ‘faith alone’.   Steve says “Catholics believe we are saved by faith, just not ‘faith alone’.   You said the Bible taught it, I want to see it.”   

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He starts flipping back and forth; I recommended a few verse. He tried them; it didn’t work.  And everybody is really angry because they are all on his side.   They want me to lose this argument.  So then he’s all flustered.  I said “wait a minute, I am sorry there is a place in the Bible where ‘faith and alone’ those words are together.  My apologies, would you please open to James 2:24 and read that.”   He opens it up and it says “we are saved by works and NOT BY FAITH ALONE.” He said “I didn’t know that verse was in the Bible.”  I said “I didn’t either when I used to work here...” 

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FOR THE REST OF THE STORY PLEASE GO TO, https://www.youtube.com/ watch?v=rY0MIEsvOes&feature=sha re

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Please visit Steve Rays Website: http:// www.catholic-convert.com/   LENNY ALT:  I went on a pilgrimmage with Steve to  Israel and can't imagine a better well run pilgrimmage.  When we would get to the sites we would get there before every one else and the parking lots were empty.  We didn't have to wait in line.  By the time we would leave a site the lots would then be full and everyone else was waiting in line.  Steve has not asked me to plug any of his pigrimmages or products.  It's just that I want others to have the same experience that I had.  If you will go on one of Steve's trips, it will be a trip of a life time and one incredible education of the Biblical sites.

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"Steve, just curious, are you born again? I said Yes, I am born again the Bible way. And he                           says what do you mean by that? You asked the question, so why don’t you tell me how one gets                          born again?  Why don’t you take the Bible off your lap? I saw it under there and why don’t you                           read for me John chapter three verse 3.  They hate it when we know the Bible better than they                           do. Jesus said to Nicodemus, in order to see the kingdom of God you must be born again.                                    Verily, verily I say unto you, you must be born again. And he closed his Bible and I said, so                                  what is the answer how do you get born again? He said by asking Jesus into your heart and                                 asking him to be your personal Lord and savior.  I said, now I have a dilemma, because now I have to decide whether I am going to believe your definition or Jesus’ [definition].    Who should I believe, you or Jesus?   I said, would you please open your Bible again; you always do this, you read one proof text and close it.  Read the whole thing in context!  He opened it and read further; verse 4 says, and Nicodemus says how can that be, I am too big, too old to crawl back into my mother’s womb and Jesus said you are the teacher of Israel and you don’t understand these things. Unless a man is born of water and the Holy Spirit, he will never see the Kingdom of God.  I said to him; Jesus said I get born again by water and Spirit and you say asking Jesus in my heart.” 

This was a discussion at the dinner table between Steve Ray a Catholic (ex-Baptist) and a Baptist (ex-Catholic) on the Subject of being born again!   This is but one small excerpt of a youtube video entitled; "Steve Ray Are you born again?  A Catholic response.”  This is the finest exposition of the subject of being “born again” from a Biblical point of view that I have ever heard.  THANK YOU STEVE RAY! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ZOt7dbrpOY  Please listen to this!

Steve Ray also puts on the very finest pilgrimages to Rome and Israel, that there is.  Make your Bible come alive by walking in the foot prints of Jesus in the Holy Land with Steve as your guide.   I usually don’t advertise for other people; however, in this case, I have personally gone with Steve Ray to the Holy Land and it was far beyond my expectations. http://www.footprintsofgodpilgrimages.com

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Lenny's Note:  Born again, how does it happen?
The Baptist (ex-Catholic) answer; by asking Jesus into your heart and asking him to be your personal Lord and savior.   Source, Baptist tradition not in the Bible. The Catholic, Steve Ray (ex-Baptist) answer; Jesus answered, "Amen, amen, I say to you, no one can enter the kingdom of God without being born of water and Spirit” (Jn 3:5).  Source, Jesus in the Bible.

"Amen, amen, I say to you, no one can enter the kingdom of God without being born of water and Spirit” (Jn 3:5). 

My question to you is this, who or what will you follow?  Will you follow the Baptist tradition, which is not in the Bible or will you follow Jesus, who is in the Bible? 

Being born of water and the spirit is Baptism.   Others will claim that being born again is asking Jesus into your heart; however, you don’t ask Jesus into your heart and take a glass of water to consummate being “born again.”    Jesus did say “born of water and spirit” and so this begs the question is there anything having to do with water and spirit in the context of John 3?  “Yes there is; after this exchange Jesus and the Apostles went out and baptized.” After this, Jesus and his disciples went into the region of Judea, where he spent some time with them baptizing (Jn 3:22).

I understand there are people who will believe that being “born again” is asking Jesus into your heart; however, asking Jesus into your heart is neither in the context nor even in the Bible.  I understand that there are those, who will not be able to believe “born again” is Baptism.  However, Baptism is both in the context and in the Bible and something that Jesus advocated.  I have a rule; when your religious tradition conflicts with the Bible and Jesus, then leave your TRADITION and follow Jesus. 

Where else in the Bible is water spirit and Baptism?  “He saved us through the bath of rebirth and renewal by the holy Spirit (Titus 3:5).   God patiently waited in the days of Noah during the building of the ark, in which a few persons, eight in all, were saved through water. This prefigured baptism, which saves you now. (1 Peter 3:21-22).  Then Jesus approached and said to them, "All power in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Go, therefore, and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the holy Spirit” (Mt 28:19-20).  These are some of the references to salvation and Baptism. 

Steve Ray “Are you born again?  A Catholic response.” http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ZOt7dbrpOY 

Steve Ray pilgrimages to Rome, Israel and other places. 
http://www.footprintsofgodpilgrimages.com