I said to Bill; “All churches, both Catholic and Protestant, believe some things that are not explicitly in the Bible.” And to this Bill said; “That may be true, but I don’t; I only believe what is in the Bible!” I then asked; Bill, "do you believe in Sola Scriptura (the Bible alone)?” He laughed and refused to answer the question. Bill cla...imed to believe only what the "Bible Alone" (Sola Scriptura) says.
The reason he laughed and didn’t answer yes to the Sola Scriptura question was because he knew what my next question was going to be; “Where is Sola Scriptura (Bible alone) in the Bible?” In other words, to make the Bible alone, your belief, now you must show explicitly where this is in the Bible. The problem is simply, there is no verse in the Bible that says you have to follow Bible alone. And when Bill could not come up with the "Bible Alone" concept, in the Bible, he is actually refuting himself.
My statement still stands. “All churches, both Catholic and Protestant, believe some things that are not explicitly in the Bible!” Sola Scriptura is one of those concepts believed by many to be Biblical and yet it is not in the Bible.
The verse that is so frequently cited in an attempt to try to show Sola Scriptura is in 2 Timothy. “All Scripture is inspired by God and is useful for teaching, for refutation, for correction, and for training in righteousness, so that one who belongs to God may be competent, equipped for every good work” (2 Tm 3:16). Agreed this does emphasis the Bible as they knew it at that time. Scripture is useful as the verse says, but it doesn’t say the Bible ALONE is useful. The word alone is not in there and so belief in the Bible alone fails.
The Bible as they knew it at that time was only the Old Testament. 2 Timothy 3:16 is Old Testament and it does not refer to the New Testament. This is because when 2 Timothy 3:16 was written the New Testament was not yet in existence. Not one word of the New Testament had been yet been written. And so, if this were a valid proof text of Sola Scriptura, this would mean the belief in Sola Scriptura (the Bible alone) would include only the Old Testament and none of the New Testament.
I then asked Bill what he thought the actual pillar and foundation of truth was. And Bill said, “It is the Bible.” So then I told him this is not what the Bible says. The Bible says “The church was the pillar foundation of truth” (1 Tm 3:15). When he said that the pillar and foundation of truth is the Bible, he was in violation of his belief in the Bible alone, one more time, because not only is it not in the Bible but it was contrary to what the Bible teaches. Again, Bill had no response to this. He is not the only one to get this in wrong. So far everyone, who believes in the Bible alone, that I have asked, “What is the pillar and foundation of truth?” has gotten it wrong. I find it interesting to note that people who have 2 Timothy 3:16 memorized, often times are not even aware of the existence of 1 Timothy 3:15.
Should I believe this man-made tradition; “The Bible is the pillar and foundation of truth?” Or should I believe the Bible which says; “The Church is the pillar and foundation of truth” (1 Tm 3:15)?
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BUDDY SAYS: How can scripture plus be considered good when only scripture is said to make one perfect?
LENNY SAYS: The Bible doesn't say "Only Scripture is said to make one perfect!" Your statement is not in the Bible. In order to believe it, I would have to believe something not in the Bible; thus your statement is self refuting.
Your statement is your personal interpretation, your personal reasoning. If all we needed was the Bible, then it would not be necessary for you to give us your personal interpretation. If Bible alone worked, all you would need to do is quote the Bible.
The fact that you are quoting your own personal interpretation, along with the Bible, is tacit admission that Bible alone does not work. And so, Sola Scriptura fails under the weight of your own words.